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#1 jason

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Posted 28 June 2001 - 07:56 PM

Hey all,

We'd like your help in trying to figure out the numbering and signing scheme for both the Kozik 92 first and second prinitings.  If you have either printing, and have it handy, just let us know which printing it is and rather it is signed and/or numbered.  Thanks a bunch.

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Posted 29 June 2001 - 03:09 AM

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1st printing  #319/450 LL  signed "F Kozik 92" LR




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Posted 29 June 2001 - 02:35 PM

Jason,

1st edition 48/450 lower left signed F Kozik 92 lower right and below signature is a blue stamp of the pig with the knife and it says sn/# 92.



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Posted 23 July 2001 - 11:46 AM

Just a quick note that we have put the differences that we have ironed out into the FAQ. If anyone in the future has anything to add, please post here and let us know!


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Posted 16 October 2001 - 02:58 AM

I have 92-14 (1st):

"395/450" handwritten in lead lower left-
"F.Kozik92" signed in lead lower right-


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Posted 16 October 2001 - 09:29 AM

Justin,

Congrats on scoring the rare first print! One quick question though...does yours have that blue pig stamp below Kozik's signature?


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Posted 19 October 2001 - 04:15 PM

No stamp... was it stamped at the time of signing? Or do you know?

FYI - I got mine from a music/poster/t-shirt store in Manhattan, Kansas (near KSU) back in 92 or 93. I think it was 12 or 15 bucks - I loved the poster and had no idea what it would be worth in the future.


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Posted 22 October 2001 - 08:22 AM

Justin,

We have no clue...all we know is that creative's has this blue stamp of a pig. Maybe it was a store stamp, or this was some kind of special edition. Hopefully one day we can all find out.


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Posted 23 October 2001 - 01:48 PM

I've geard ofr Kozik stamping some other stuff, unfortunately it's not done with consistancy....

as to what it means?  

I have no idea...


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Posted 03 April 2002 - 09:28 AM

The stamps are 'promo stamps' to indicate that Kozik would give these posters to the band/peromotor/venue. These stamps were only used during a short period in '91-'92.

As you know, Kozik gives the band or promotor or venue a stack of poster for free. In return Kozik is allowed to sell a limted signed and numbered run to the public through his own channels (used to be artrock, then tilt, then his own mansruin and now who know what).

Kozik follows some of the international printer guidelines when it comes to printing S&N silkscreens. For example there is a limited amount of printer proof's. In Kozik's case these are numbered as PP 1/4 (number 1 out of run of 4, etcetera) and signed. In virtual all cases the amount of a PP is limited to 4, sometimes 3. Also a batch of artist proofs or AP's is run, numbered as AP 1/50. There is a guideline to how many AP's you can run from a normal printrun, usually 10%. There are also some of the blacklines of Kozik posters on Ebay. These are usually signed but not mumbered and are usually given to the printers.

Now, coming back to the stamp issue, I have no idea why there is a Kozik poster which is both numbered, signed and has the promo stamp. I have 400 different Kozik's. A few of them have the promo stamp but none have the stamp and are S&N. I do have a Surgery poster that has the stamp and is signed but NOT numbered. Perhaps this is a 'fake' where someone added the signature and numbering. Then again Kozik is never consistent.

Sorry that I didn't clear much up and that I may have repeated what y'all have known perhaps for a long time.

Have fun trying to locate your AP, your PP and your blackline of the Kozik92 poster  

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Posted 04 April 2002 - 09:16 AM

Thanks, not sure it totally clears up the grey area, but some good info.  I found the "guidelines" to be interesting.


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Posted 04 April 2002 - 10:01 AM

Those guidelines: Kozik explained once to me that he used them to a certain extent. These guidelines have been used for many many years and have a name but I can't remember. Some book from many decades ago. I also vaguely remember that they stipulate to 'destroy' the screen and then run a silkscreen of that to 'proof' that no additional copies can be run. Not sure if Kozik does this for his silkscreens.

BTW, does anyone have his or Man's Ruins' telephone number. I lost mine and his 'old' website is down while the 'new one' is coming soon for many months now


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Posted 04 April 2002 - 10:30 AM

Hey Piemel, how's it going?

Thanks for that information about the stamps and the guidelines...so is it safe to say that posters stamped with these "promo stamps" are very few in number? Does these stamps make them more desirable in any way (I don't think so but I thought I would ask)?

Also, what exactly is a "blackline"?

I don't have his telephone number, and I think Man's Ruin is all but gone. Actually, I don't even know where he is based now. Is it still San Francisco?


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Posted 05 April 2002 - 05:23 AM

Promostamps on Kozik posters do not make them any more valuable or collectable in my opinion. It was just a gimmick he used for a short while.

Kozik used those stamps for his his promo posters (the prints that are not numbered and used by the band, promotor or venue) during a short period that lasted from mid-'91 to sometime in '92. They are just something that he tried and probably got tired of ramming a stamp on every promo.

The problem with the stamp and Kozik in general is that he is not really consistent. Not ALL the unnumbered and unsigned posters in theat period have a stamp. This probably means that he used to stamp promo-posters only for a certain end use.

Imagine if he does a Surgery poster for which he runs 100 copies for promo use and 500 for himself to sell through his own channels. Of those 100 promo posters he probably will send a stack to the promotor, and/or some to the venue, and/or some to the band, and he keeps a few himself as well. In other words there are different 'endusers' for these promo posters. My feeling is he stamped only a certain enduse group.

The reason that I think that is because I have 3 copies of a Kozik surgery poster (92-44) of which 1 is S&N no-stamp, 1 is signed and stamped, and 1 is unsigned, unnumbered, no-stamp.

So as usual it becomes confusing. My feeling is that the stamped posters are those promos that he kept for himself to give away or sell on the side. Why? Because if you look at his first book a lot of the posters in it have those stamps and the book probably used the Kozik/Mans Ruin personal collection as a poster source. This is just my opinion though.

Now at the end of the day I don't feel that a stamped promo is more or less collectable then a nonstamped promo. Hence no price difference in my book. I do value S&N prints higher then promo prints but only slightly. I value AP's slightly higher then S&N prints. I treat PP's as the odd duck in the pond because you are unlikely to run into these too much.

Again, looking at the Kozik SG/PJ poster (92-14) I would pay the same amount for either the AP, the S&N or the PP. I would pay perhaps 20 or 30 bucks less for unsigned, unnumbered one (with or without stamp). On an expensive poster like this that is peanuts.

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A blackline is a print that is used by the printers of a silkscreen to do some checks before setting and running the colors. Inks are expensive so you want to be sure that everything is cool before you start pouring buckets of some obscure purple glow-in-the dark ink. Basically it is the same posters but in black-and-white. Check on ebay and search for 'kozik and blackline' and you'll see what I mean.

These blacklines are usually given to the printers and Kozik has signed quite a few of them. Then again, Kozik is cool with signing posters. For those of you that have an unsigned Kozik poster make sure to bring it with you if you go see him because he will sign it for you pronto. He usually shows up at opening days for his art shows.

Would I pay for a blackline? Yes in some cases where I am particularly fond of a certain poster I amy shell out some cash for a blackline but nowhere near what I would pay for the 'real thing'. I can also see myself getting a blackline of a poster when I am not able to locate or afford the 'technicolor' version.

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As for Kozik's studio, he used to be on 3rd in SF but last time we talked he was about to move accross the street to a smaller but less expensive place. The dotcom boom in SF made prices ridiculous at the time.

Problem is that I moved temporarlily to Europe for a project and lost my little postit note with his phone/fax number. I presume he still has the same phone number as he only moved down 1 block.

sorry for the long email...
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Posted 05 April 2002 - 09:43 AM

Wow, thanks for all the cool info, you totally cleared up the stamp issue in my mind, and I didn't even know those blacklines even existed. Really cool stuff! Thanks! ;)






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